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NEVER!!!
Not in my cutting room unless you want to go home
I take sanitation very seriously in the shop
If you want to drink something I would rather give you a few minutes to head to the breakroom then risk the health department coming in or worse having a customer see you

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that would be horrible

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As long as you paid for it,water bottles are ok, as they want the staff not to dry out from working so hard.jk.Water bottles are aloud.



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What is the big fear of spilling something? Set it away from your cutting area if it spills so what get a mop and clean it up that is what mops are for. Things get spilled all the time in a grocery store. Last week someone dropped a jar of pickles in the meat room on the way to the kitchen and it was all over the place. I didn't see anyone have a panic attack. I once dropped a glass jar of oysters on the scale where I was pricing it..that was a real mess but it sure wasn't an emergency. Everyone is going to be ok its just a spill calm down.

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fdarn wrote:

What is the big fear of spilling something? Set it away from your cutting area if it spills so what get a mop and clean it up that is what mops are for. Things get spilled all the time in a grocery store. Last week someone dropped a jar of pickles in the meat room on the way to the kitchen and it was all over the place. I didn't see anyone have a panic attack. I once dropped a glass jar of oysters on the scale where I was pricing it..that was a real mess but it sure wasn't an emergency. Everyone is going to be ok its just a spill calm down.


 It's funny that they think a bottle of water is so dangerous. I mean, don't we clean the entire shop with water? Maybe we should use something else? Compressed air? Is air permitted is the shop anymore?



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if that bottle of water touched your lips and you spill it on the floor it may be possible that some strain of germ will climb up the leg of the table and contaminate the meat. you can never be too careful.

 

I ll tellyou all the real reason behind these regulations.  Listen up...its money.  The more rules there are the harder they are to follow and the easier it is to fine the store and make money for someone. 



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I worked for a company once that made you take off your smock. cap or hair net every time you went out the market door. Said you would bring germs back in on them



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i do and i let my people do unless some big wig comes in. i dont think its fair as hard as people work in the meat dept not have something to drink



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My shop is so small we don't have a break room, so we all take breaks at the same time and use the back sausage kitchen where customers can't see us. Also no processing is going on when we are eating or drinking. No cross contamination. I know it sounds real hardass but its smart business. We also take our aprons off when we eat or drink and yes, everytime we leave the building too. It's just good sanitation proceedures like washing your hands- before and after a restroom visit.

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Our company ( a high volume chain) has very strict sanitation policies across the board. Food and drink were not allowed in the meat dept. However, as others have said, we did it anyway.  Our only concern would have been the company's own sanitation inspector.  Store managers, even the a**holes, usually did not bother you over that. Most of them were smart enough to realize that people had variable levels of productivity and they did not want an empty case!

Hell I remember the days when everyone had a coffee and cigarette going right on the block in the cutting room, and a fifth of whiskey under the block!  You just had to be discrete so the customer didn't see you smoking. As time passed, smoking was only tolerated in the cooler when you were breaking down beef or making hamburger. Still more time passed and you could only smoke in the grocery back room behind the meat room, and now, it's  not allowed in the stores at all!

All that said, there are valid reasons for these rules. When one eats or drinks, invariably fingers touch the mouth and germs get transferred to the product you are working on.

With regard to food purchased in the store, that was fine but we had to have the receipt when asked or it was instant termination. If it was something you would use for a while, it was also fine to keep it in the cooler with the receipt taped to it and the receipt always had to be signed by the customer service mgr or store mgr. 

As to music, before I was a manager I was a night cutter, working the 10PM to 8:30 AM shift.  This was the toughest job in the dept, with a humongous production list to complete every night. I would always turn off the in-store PA and blast the boombox with hard rock. Our dept was completely enclosed so customers and night crew could not hear it nor could you hear them. One night about 3 AM I stopped to take a break and sat down on a milkcrate in the backroom behind the dept to have a cigarette and coffee.  all of a sudden a half dozen Phila Firefighters ran past me in full breakout gear dragging a hose. They did a double take on seeing me, stopped and said "What are you doing here??"

I said "I'm taking a break!"

Their response:  "The store's on fire! It was evacuated a half hour ago, get out!!"

So there can sometimes be a risk to loud music!  



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Yeah I remember those days in the 60s and 70s!  



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I hide red bulls and water in my supply rack

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You're all sinners.... except Big B. But you should have some gloves on..... and a face mask......and a hair net... just like brain surgery ya kno?



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Lady T-Bone wrote:

I worked for a company once that made you take off your smock. cap or hair net every time you went out the market door. Said you would bring germs back in on them


Those clowns don't know anything about microbiology. I know a little bit. They're just trying to justify their jobs by coming up with this crap. If they didn't get paid to think of this junk, they might have to do some genuine manual labor. All that is a waste if you don't change or cover your shoes in a separate room between the meat dept and the store. Of course you have to wear gloves when putting on and removing your shoes or shoe covers and change the gloves immediately after each action. It would probably be better to have someone with clean gloves put your shoe covers on for you. still, all that is not going to help much. Just google "sterile work environment". It's almost impossible.

 

Guess what?? (This is funny) At one certain Safeway store where I work (maybe one or two days per year for extra $$) they store the meat cutting gowns in the restroom! That's right. In the warehouse, upstairs in the employee bathroom is where you find the smocks/gowns & aprons. It's a huge restroom, but it's still a restroom. Isn't that a joke?

 

 

 

At my previous company, we had a sink near the meat dept entrance. If you left the meat dept, we had to wash our hands before entering the meat dept, even if you just washed them in the rest room.



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Burgermeister.

   I do believe you are correct.  No one could have had a stricter sanitation policy than ours (Pathmark) but we had no requirement to remove aprons and smocks when we left the department.  AND, THE PERSON WHO CREATED AND ENFORCED ALL OUR POLICIES WAS A MICROBIOLOGIST!

He's retired now but those of you like Leon and I who are on LInkedIn can find him there (Chris DeMeglio).



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it all comes down to a company's liabilities. If the company (or some suit wearing idiot) thinks there is a potential risk, then all of a sudden a new policy is made to cover their asses, in my store the other depts don't get to listen to their own music but we do in the cutting room. we keep food and drink seperate in a cupboard with reciepts attached. If we had a real staff room and a fridge then we won't need to keep our lunches in the meat room.
our department passes all health inspections and aside from some rusting racks which will be fixed/replaced soon, it's all good.

we all wear gloves when cutting meat to make in easier to answer the phone and serve customer's quickly. I feel bad for you guys/girls that can't have music/food etc because if it gets busy and you don't have time for a coffee break, at least you can have a drink of water nearby right?

we had a cutter who cranked up the music (full of swearing) so loud they couldn't even hear the phone! so guess what? he lost the privilege until he ended up quitting

if you are too strict with every little policy nobody is going to want to work with or for you, am i right? agree/disagree?



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matt_the_meat_man wrote:

..................If we had a real staff room and a fridge then we won't need to keep our lunches in the meat room............

 if you are too strict with every little policy nobody is going to want to work with or for you, am i right? agree/disagree?


 Of course you're right. I agree.

About food storage. The company wants you to have your own ice chest in your car and keep everything there. You may access it on your 10 minute breaks and lunch hours.



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we arent suppose to buttttttttt we do and if health dept comes in we are notified asap and we put it by are jackets right out side the dept
if they forced it my boss would be doomedddddddddddd lol
always candy and cookies in her desk draw lol

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I once covered for a market manager in my company for a week back when I floated around. His market had a George Forman grill in it! They'd cook breakfast sausage and other sorts in it most mornings. Our Meat Director came in one day and told us he could smell JCPotter sausage all the way in the front of the store. craziness...

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Gee, no need for a George Foreman grill when the hot plates on the hand wrap stations along with a little aluminum foil work so well!  



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Burgermeister wrote:
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NEVER!!!
Not in my cutting room unless you want to go home
I take sanitation very seriously in the shop
If you want to drink something I would rather give you a few minutes to head to the breakroom then risk the health department coming in or worse having a customer see you


 But in your avatar picture, you're touching the bone in loin strip with your bare hands. What about that?

 



-- Edited by Burgermeister on Wednesday 25th of April 2012 10:15:07 PM


 Burgermeister you are correct in that I am not wearing gloves in the picture and I am touching meat

But this is a piece of Dry aged beef and all of the outside of this piece of meat will be peeled off and discarded into the bone can

it will actually end up like I never touched it in the first place



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phew you dodged that bullet

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I don't wear gloves unless i am working with fish but that is only to keep the smell off my hands. I wear gloves if handling something that is ready to eat. Some stores seem to have an unbreakable law on gloves but as far as I know its not a federal or state guideline. I am sure they would prefer we wore gloves but I had inspectors walk right by me when i am cutting barehanded and they never said anything. I always thought meatcutters wore gloves while cutting because they don't want to get their hands dirty not because they are trying to sanitary and safe.


 

I learned to cut barehanded. In all the old pictures of me, you'll never see me with gloves.

In the early 1980s we started wearing cloth gloves. They'd get wet and we'd put on another pair. We'd all use a dozen or more pair each per day.

Now we have the Vinyl, Nitrile and/or Latex. I love the Nitrile gloves!

I agree that gloves aren't necessary except when handling ready to eat foods such as lunch meat, cooked shrimp, cooked crab, etc. Also in some cases such as going from one species to another.

If your company has a must wear gloves policy, they you're not allowed to decide when it's right and when it's not. The decision has already been made for you.

 

The gloves being necessary was a company policy issue. Not a state or national law. This thread is partially about following company policies. A lot of companies have strict policies saying you must wear gloves.

 

 I even worked at a place where when you entered the seafood section, you had to remove your gloves (even if new), wash your bare hands and then put on new gloves. You all (probably) know it's not easy to put on  rubber, vinyl, latex, or nitrile gloves when your hands are damp. This rule was very difficult to follow. You'd go from meat to seafood several dozen times per day. That's a lot of hand washing and glove changing.

 



-- Edited by Burgermeister on Tuesday 8th of May 2012 08:24:45 PM

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Always thought it was okay to not where gloves while cutting. It's totally within policy in my company (even though we all do wear them...we didn't used to for years, but my hands get colder in my "old" age). Food that can be directly ingested has to be handled with gloves (deli meat, hot deli product, etc..) Raw meat is not in that category. Is it not that way in other places?

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We don't wear gloves either, only when traying ready to eat products like hot dogs or smoked meat or when slicing hams, you are right it isn't in the health code that gloves must be worn when handling raw meat, at least in Michigan anyway.

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